Who to Believe? Case Shiller or Ken Rosen

Case Shiller may be talking about double dip but Ken Rosen sees a somewhat brighter future for San Francisco’s residential real estate market.

Here’s the doom and gloom at the national level from the recently released Case Shiller Report for January 2011:

These data confirm what we have seen with recent housing starts and sales reports. The housing market recession is not yet over, and none of the statistics are indicating any form of sustained recovery. At most, we have seen all statistics bounce along their troughs; at worst, the feared double-dip recession may be materializing. Continue reading “Who to Believe? Case Shiller or Ken Rosen”

The View From Space: 2010

The View From Space

The View from Space – 2010

Ken Rosen is a smart guy.  He’s the co-chair of the Fisher Center of Real Estate and Urban Economics at the Haas School of Business at UC Berkeley and the investment adviser of choice to some of the biggest players in real estate, from banks to insurance companies to REITS. Ken might not be able to appraise your house, but he could tell you how each sector of the real estate economy has fared anywhere in the country, and probably in many parts of the world.

Once or twice a year I spend the day in a windowless hotel conference room listening to Ken and some of the biggest heads in the real estate biz expounding on the state of real estate. These guys (and they are mostly guys) look at real estate through the lens of global macro-economics and finances.  Want to know where interest rates are going?  They study yield curves on T-Bills and monetary policy in the capitals of Europe.  This is “the view from space.”

I reported on Ken’s predictions from November of 2008 here. (Remember, we were already in deep doo-doo, though things got worse through the first quarter of 2009.)  Before moving into his predictions for 2010 and beyond, I thought it would be useful to see how well he did on on his forecasts for 2009:

The Ken Rosen Scorecard for 2009

  • Chance of a deep recession: 70%. Bingo.
  • S&P 500 at year-end under a deep recession: 850. Actual:  1115.   Woops (but who said the market was rational?)
  • The dollar: “Will continue to do well.” Nope, it lost ground.

Not a great batting average you say?  Truth is, I’m cherry-picking here.  Overall, Rosen’s message in November 08 was that things were improving, but that there would be volatiility and a long, slow recovery in housing.  Notwithstanding our brush with death in March  — Rosen put the chance of a deep recession at 5% — his prediction on that aspect of the market seems to be holding up well.  As for the dollar, given the gaping chasm that faced the global markets in the early months of 2009 – led by crashing and burning US financial institutions – the dollar’s decline shouldn’t be a surprise.

And as for the stock market and its amazing recovery, given what still seems to be looming on the horizon, I just can’t figure that one out at all.

Rosen’s Predictions for 2010

In terms of the shape of the recovery, Rosen estimates the chances of a “broken W”  — read fragile recovery – at 65%.  This is where I’m putting my money folks.

He estimates the chances of a more robust recovery at 25%, and that of a long , Japanese-style recession at 10%.

Expect a slow, fragile recovery, a bottoming out of the housing market, and rising long-term rates.

Estimates for the Stock Market, Year End 2010

S&P  1150; Dow 11,000

Advice for the Home-Buyer:

If there’s any good news here, it’s that Rosen thinks that the sector will come back fastest is single family housing.

Here’s the takeaway quote:

“Take advantage of the windfall tax credit and low interest rates if you’ve got a good job”

Rosen thinks that prices have bottomed (I’m not so sure).  But it does appear that

REO’s (properties taken back by the banks) have declined as a percentage of all sales, and that should help to stabilize prices.

From a socio-economic perspective, housing affordability has increased significantly due to low interest rates and price declines, and that can only be viewed as good if you believe that widespread home-ownership is a public “good.” (I do.)

What could go wrong?

In a moment of brilliant serendipity, Rosen’s co-chair at the Fisher School, Bob Edelstein — no small brain himself —  happened to sit next to me at lunch.  In the next 30 minutes we covered everything from wine to Waziristan.  His outlook was not as sanguine as Rosen’s.  We didn’t get into details, but my impression was that Edelstein was more concerned than Rosen about a jobless recovery coupled with higher interest rates driven by enormous deficits.

Once again, the magic eight ball says:  “Ask again later.”

Ask again later

The view from space — Part 1

Ken Rosen is a smart guy.  He’s the co-chair of the Fisher Center of Real Estate and Urban Economics at the Haas School of Business at UC Berkeley and the investment advisor of choice to some of the biggest players in real estate, from banks to insurance companies to REITS.

Once or twice a year I spend the day in a windowless hotel conference room listening to Ken and some of the biggest heads in the real estate biz  expounding on the state of real estate. These guys (and they are mostly guys) look at real estate through the lens of global macro-economics and international finance.  Want to know where interest rates are going?  They study yield curves on T-Bills and monetary policy in the capitals of Europe.  This is “the view from space.”

There’s a lot of information that I can’t actually put to use:  I don’t really need to know whether the smart money is investing in CMBS’s (commercial mortgage backed securities) because folks like you and I can’t buy them anyway.  But I always come away from these conferences with a better sense of the “big picture,”  of where real estate is headed in the broader context of the national and global economy.

Right now, the picture ain’t pretty.  Here are some highlights from Rosen’s economic wrap-up.  More to follow in other posts:

  • Recession or Depression? Rosen puts the chances of a deep recession at 70%, a moderate one at 25%, and a full-blown 1929-style depression at 5%.  This was echoed by many speakers.  The major global governments, including China, are throwing so much money into the system that a depression seems unlikely — but it’s still a possibility.
  • The credit crunch: Inter-bank interest rates are coming down, which means that bank confidence is improving.  Easing credit should follow.
  • San Francisco should weather the storm reasonably well because of its diversified “global gateway” economy and the fact that it hasn’t been overbuilt.  Not so, the East Bay.
  • The dollar should continue to improve because, believe it or not, the US economy is doing well relative to the rest of the world.

What to invest in?  More anon.